Submitted by L is muffinman12345 (not verified) on Tue, 2008-05-06 12:51. Luckyman in style. There is speculation that Tsugumi Ohba is a pen name of manga artist Hiroshi Gamo, notably by Toshio Okada. Kimiko-kujo i wish she will take revenge. Koji-yoshida You KNOW that I'd have loved to have seen Mello win too. Might as well just have had L win and leave out Mello and Near altogether. Light's thoughts are all about what reactions would be realistic and how much emotions he should show. Nippon-television-ntv Now, if this was actually presented in the manga, it would have played to the theme of hypocrisy, or would have added an interesting touch of nuance. ;>_>, And I just love the last chapter and Matsuda's theory and the Kira cult. That is perfect! Tsugumi Ohba: Top 10 Must-Know Facts About Comic Book Author. Another-note Thus leaving and starting on his own. "Official" death note material outside of the actual story is mostly made up shit that doesn't really have any bearing on the story, and that includes most of the shit Ohba says. Soichiro Yagami Ohba's works have been or are currently being published in the Weekly Shnen Jump. Even I wouldn't like your preferred ending. Tsugumi Ohba was born in Tokyo, Tsugumi Ohba is the author of the hit series Death Note. Based on the famous Japanese manga written by Tsugumi Ohba and Takeshi Obata, Death Note follows a high school student (Wolff) who comes across a supernatural notebook that gives him the. Near and Mello DID ultimately work together, though it would have been a much better story, if that had been explicit. will i have friends but they not good 1s. Tsugumis birth flower is Gladiolus and birthstone is Peridot and Sardonyx. As far as I'm concerned Mello wonperiod. He likes that she is on occasion useful - and for the record, he also recognizes that in addition to being an annoying, bad person, he also has to keep her happy because she's a constant threat to him as well. I am a huge newb at deathnote and just finished reading the manga series. English translation by ScarredinSilence So what do you make of that? It was the sheer energy with which Mello burst onto the scene. By subscribing, I agree to VIZ's Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2007-10-18 10:50. Touta Matsuda :), I just looked to make sure I wasn't crazy, buterm, you do realize that's just a different translation of the same interview that's in HtR: 13? i also think that light is much better than L. And you other people should learn to spell. There was nothing in particular. Born in Tokyo, Tsugumi Ohba ( , ba Tsugumi?) L, Near, and Mello were just trying to stop the menacing dictator that was kira. Death Note Relight (2007-2008) we act the same we almost look alike.has no friends. Ten years ago, Tsugumi Ohba's bizarre and controversial creation, Death Note, became an anime series. Net Worth: Online estimates of Tsugumi Ohbas net worth vary. It connects on a personal level for me. Death Note Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. September 2015 Roger Ruvie He seems convinced, and the issue is never brought up again. I secretly thought a Mello fan had made it up! He said it was 'too easy', but that was fine. He'd been swanning around LA in the world's hugest pair of sunglasses. My favorite episode was the meet in the warehouse where light finally meets near and confesses to everyone that he is KIRA . Another-note-novel Might just be his style. - Interview with Udagawa Takeo There were precisely 748 full moons after his birth to this day. [9] The author described themselves as a "clean freak" and usually cleans once a day. Access-restricted-item true Addeddate 2013-05-13 14:23:35 Boxid IA1119509 Boxid_2 CH132214 Camera Canon EOS 5D Mark II City San Francisco, CA Donor bostonpubliclibrary Yeah, they should make a Death Note II where Light is a shinigami. Music And Soundtracks ^_^. You go Mello on stuff. Useing basic intuition and cunning to think of percents and figuring things out. Contents 1 Biography 2 Awards and nominations 3 Video 4 External links 5 Navigation But they can also be arrogant, short-tempered, hasty, traitorous. L-change-the-world-2008-movie I would have loved to see Mello just push the sheep out of the way and shoot Light in the face.but that's just me. This really does underline why you and I identified with the characters as we did. A well developed one, maybe one of the best. He claims that L's suspicions that Light is Kira were in reality almost 100%, and the (much lower) numbers he gave to the task force were all made up. [10] Despite being an author, Ohba does not read much, instead they watch a lot of movies, being especially fond of those by Akira Kurosawa and Charlie Chaplin. Read our full interviews with the co-creators of. All the latest information about Death Note: reports, gossip, releases, analyses, speculation and discussion. It also would have better accomplished what Ohba originally intended by having two leading heirs: Light being beaten by two when one wasn't enough. When asked about his inspiration, Ohba said, "There was nothing in particular. That's too harsh. There was nothing in particular. Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 2007-04-02 23:59. His/Her real identity (and gender) is a closely guarded secret. almost made me not wacht it anymore but. Very difficult. This website uses cookies and tracking technologies to assist with your navigation, analyze use of our website and products and services, assist with your registration and login, and to assist with our marketing efforts. From The Star Online comes a short interview with Tsugumi Ohba, author of Death Note, where he talks about his inspiration for Death Note as well as his views on justice. In typical Related to the above, according to Ohba, Light honestly loves his family. No not really, Near was one of the driving forces behind Mello's ambitions. Light should kill Misa and marry Kiyomi Takada instead. Yes there were many thoughts, but they were SHOWN to us, and there was not a single thought about grief in there. By May 28, 2012 Tsugumi Ohba is one of the most mysterious creators in Shonen Jump history. <3. Ohba worked on the original manga with illustrator Takeshi Obata, his favorite professional collaborator. Please submit a suggestion, comment or question - we would love to hear from you! He thinks there might have been a part of Light that actually was sad about his fathers death that Light didnt acknowledge. Hobby: Collecting teacups. Why aren't light and soichiro more alike? He stated near wrote only Mikami`s name, how does that make him a mass murderer? I loved Light Yagami and to see him die like that was just to painfull so all u basterds who think this is entertainment can go to hell. But I assume that he figured having the real editor in chief appear would make the manga better, so he put up with it. He is very serious about school and on track for college, but he is very bored, until he finds a Death Note. How did you become partners with him? Netflix When I came to the end where Micheal aka Mello announced about how Watari met 8-yr old L I thought that should be a good idea for the author to write a book about L's life. I had decided Mello was my favorite character long before the ending came around. He brought the whole story to life, and it was exciting. But some things that, according to Ohba, were apparently supposed to be in the story, are just not present there. the series and all that i just want to tell u how frustrated i am.U know the ep where L dies and hes cleaning Lights feet?everyones saying that trhats a yaoi momentX( Hes just making up for his sins for instance he got Light wet!I hate how ppl discrace Ls name like that! DO NOT DO WHAT OHBA DID. Misa's just sooo annoying. I can understand not wanting a criminal character who directly or indirectly caused multiple deaths to be the victor, but I find the idea that his living would be darker than his death kind of unsettling. Submitted by Whomey (not verified) on Sat, 2008-05-10 18:50. in amrecia who want 2 see L back. Japan. He was my favorite character and now the killer aka Light is taking up his name. Submitted by CRITIC #746474723 (not verified) on Mon, 2008-03-24 23:10. Anthony-rester Death Note is a 2017 American supernatural crime thriller film loosely adapted from the Japanese manga of the same name created by Tsugumi Ohba and Takeshi Obata.The film is directed by Adam Wingard and written by Charles and Vlas Parlapanides, and Jeremy Slater.The film stars Nat Wolff, LaKeith Stanfield, Margaret Qualley, Shea Whigham, Paul Nakauchi, Jason Liles, and Willem Dafoe, and . Sh Nanase Near winning gives the series a nice storybook ending. A stupid, annoying and dangerous tool, but a tool nevertheless. make more eopsodes of death note and say soemthing liek this L was faking his death 2 let ligth think he was dead or soemthing. But it WASN'T actually shown in the story. Guh. Ancient China. We just needed Mello to run with those answers. Psychology From The Star Online comes a short interview with Tsugumi Ohba, author of Death Note, where he talks about his inspiration for Death Note as well as his views on justice. why are you people hating on the wammy boys?!? Sayu is arguable at best. I discuss things with my editor and create the storyboards. Occupation The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't know how to execute it while keeping the suspense up. Tags: Death Note, Death Note Forum, Death Note Role Play, Death Note Anime, Death Note Fans. Any way this will get you more money and more fans because lots of people stoped watching death note when L died i know because half of my school liked death note but then L died an then know one watch it but me and a few other people. He fought so hard, for so long, got so far and lost it once and then just kept fighting, then was literally killed off because /the author thought he did too well/. :( I would love to have seen this ending. Subreddit for all things related to Death Note. (20082012), was also successful with 15 million in circulation. or topix. Friday's release of. Actors And Acting Tsugumi Ohba, the man behind the juggernaut anime and manga series Death Note, is largely an unknown entity. ya i want an email contact or omething so i can ask him if shinigami in directora cut is reallly light. July 2014 don't get me wrong, the anime is AMAZING, i would just like some anwsers because in my opinion, alot was NOT answered such as L's past or the Wammy House. If Matsuda is correct (click my name for a link to Matsuda's Theory) then Near was a mass murderer too. I think in a way Near was Mello's catalyst. Submitted by daemonchylde (not verified) on Mon, 2007-12-17 13:37. I perfer to change them around 'till there "different". You know my anti-death penalty sentiments are cheering you along on this line of thought. Submitted by Anime Lover (not verified) on Wed, 2009-08-26 13:37. ComiPress teams up with writer Udagawa Takeo and translator John Gallagher to publish an online version of the English-language translation of Manga Zombie. As stated by the profile placed at the beginning of each Death Note manga volume, Ohba collects teacups and develops manga plots while holding his knees on a chair, similar to a habit of L, one of the main characters of the . Enable JavaScript on your browser for most GaiaOnline features to work correctly. It was all intellectual discourse and back-and-forth conversations. What was the best thing about it?TO: It was a weird series. Science And Mathematics Sign up now and get access to our exclusive interview! I cannot pretend to know so much that I can say he improved and in what way, but I do believe his ability to express himself through art continues to get better and better. is an intriguing question. Tsugumi Ohba zodiac sign is a Leo. liek ligth wasnt a good friend he killed L that bastred made me ant 2 jump in the show all kill light aka kira and kill him. His last series, Bakuman, was serialized in Weekly Shonen Jump. That doesn't make any sense. Yamada-kun in 2014 until he returned in 2015 with Platinum End, another supernatural fantasy about a suicidal teenager rescued by her guardian angel, which is distinctly less dark and cynical than the franchise that made him famous. Born He first made his name known as the storywriter of the controversial cat-and-mouse suspense series Death Note. Business And Marketing They have strong sense of errantry, being frank and easy to win others' trust. Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2009-05-13 20:24. I want to run away! Blending supernatural horror with all the intrigue of a police procedural and a psychological thriller, Death Note is arguably Ohbas most popular work to date. Same goes for his father. Many Leos will have a large group of friends that adore them. Whats he like in real life? Panini-comics Some of that stuff are aditional Death Note rules that didn't come up in the story and add to our understanding of the world (not to mention, it makes for a great fanfic fodder). If Mello's death was suppose to be so dramatic, what happened? Takeshi Obata Interview (available in the May 7 issue of Weekly SJ Alpha)Tsugumi Ohba Interview (available in the May 21 issue of Weekly SJ Alpha). July 23 - August 22. uselesss:(. L If you found this page interesting or useful, please share it. I dont know what his reaction was when he first saw himself in the manga, but I was never told that he liked it, so I just imagine that he didnt. When asked about his inspiration, Ohba said, "There was nothing in particular. With such a beloved series, it is always a good idea not to 'kill off' the main characters, or at least leave it open for the possibility of the characters to still be alive. More Creator's Interview: Mitsutoshi Shimabukuro, More Creator's Interview: Masashi Kishimoto Spotlight, More Creator's Interview: Tite Kubo Spotlight, More Creator's Interview: Eiichiro Oda Spotlight. Anyone wishing that was the extant ending, or did Ohba make the right decision in penning the one that we got? It is the notebook of a Shinigami, or a death god. Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2009-04-23 22:41. They are the writer and creator of Death Note, which they worked on with manga artist Takeshi Obata . Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes. Hello! Original interview with Tsugumi Ohba by The Star Online, but no cyber version exists. In 2006, Obata released Blanc et noir, an artbook featuring his work. April 2014 when he died it realy piised me off. Hal-lidner Ohba's real identity (and gender) is a closely guarded secret. Tsugumi Ohba isnt a known comic book legend, like Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, or Frank Miller, but his impact on pop culture over the past decade has been monumental. His biggest role models Fujio Fujiko (Doraemon), Fujio Akatsuka, and Shotaro Ishinomori, creator of Super Sentai, which was adapted into the TV series Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. Here is the transcript of the relevant section: Create your own unique website with customizable templates. Matt Thanks! February 2016 Tsugumi Ohba (Comic Book Author) was born on the 17th of August, 1962. Why the heck would he come up with random number in his thoughts for no reason? Given name (in kanji): . Selecta Visin I also love the way that L fought Light. Interview de Valentine Cuny-Le Callet, laurate du prix BD Fnac France Inter 2023: En 2023, lisez plus grce notre Dfi de lecture: Fans And Fandom The Cosplayer Chronicles Tsugumi Ohba (Japanese: , Hepburn: ba Tsugumi) is the pen name of a Japanese manga writer, best known for authoring the Death Note manga series with illustrator Takeshi Obata from 2003 to 2006, which has 30 million collected volumes in circulation. Death Note Relight (2007-8 Anime) Yamada-kun". Well, that's where Near and Mello were raised anyway. To read more great creator interviews, become an SJ Alpha member today! By signing up, I agree to VIZ's Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. Submitted by help (not verified) on Fri, 2009-11-27 16:42. y did l have to die abck more death notes and bring L back plz, I have some ideas for maybe the next death note 2, I want to write about the different aspects of lie but in a cunn, I want to write about different aspects of life in cunnning way, Top Manga Series and Volumes for March 2009. Ohba had to simply ignore Mello's presence in order to stop him winning. And isn't "he's a bad guy and thus he has to die" Kira's logic? but left the story kind of unsatisfying emotionally. Death Note News Digest The hardest part was that the story kept getting longer and longer, and I had trouble coming up with new ideas. His gender wasnt even public until the inside cover profile of Ohbas comedy-romance manga Bakuman in 2008, where Ohba was described with male pronouns. Or is there any particular manga that influenced you?TO: I dont have a specific mentor, but I was heavily inspired by creators like Shotaro Ishinomori, Fujio Fujiko, and Fujio Akatsuka.Q: Tell us about Takeshi Obata. Submitted by cool person (not verified) on Sun, 2009-06-21 17:36. Art And Fan Art So, no, he doesn't make it pretty clear that he loves them. Tsugumi ba is known for Death Note (2017), Death Note (2006) and Death Note: The Last Name (2006). And now your second point, yes! My dad is dying!". I think they should have be a spin-off episode in where Mello would have won but Mello seems like a more calm person unlike Mello so he would be able to catch light (Kira) more efficiently. Long time no see! criminals or not, humans have a right to live. It's satisfying and rounded. Now to get Ohba to retrospectively rewrite the whole ending, and have THAT as the 10th Anniversary surprise. Because my reasonings for this is that I profess in christianity belief. Visit Death Note News's profile on Pinterest. - Tsugumi Ohba, Death Note author, How to Read: Death Note 13, p 61. Ohba shows one thing in the story, and tells us the exact opposite outside of it. (So said the author in an interview). Q: Do you have any advice to those people out there who want to become mangaka?TO: You cant be the one who determines whats good and what isnt, so I think you just need to create as much as you can. Why did you choose to portray L in such a quirky way? Getting them to work together with the interview would also give Near a role big enough to justify his presence. : I didn't decide on that until the last second. How did you become partners with him? If there is any information missing, we will be updating this page soon. Finale: I had to giggle at the dinosaur reference- At 36 I still love them. Teru Mikami like what if Ryuk drops another death note and some other guy that was smarter than light gets it and does the same thing he does and what if he killed Near then who would serpass near? That was fascinating, but until Mello exploded into the story (often literally), you didn't realise quite how little action had occurred of late. Wow.Tsugumi is like my all time idol. O my school has 200 and some people in it. Nears morals make him the good guy in my opinion. Yuuko Asami (or Tsugumi Ohba) is a brilliant writer/creator. That's why his end was very plain, depicted in only one panel. Do you ever disagree with each others opinion? Pretty interesting stuff. But thanks to that I was able to include stories that I had never initially considered. Yumi Aizawa His last series, Bakuman, was also serialized in Weekly Shonen Jump. I lent my books to someone so I can't reread it or anything Mello did beat Kira.but so did Near and L. They all did. produced by Gaia art community for all Gaia users. Then I plan to create at least one more new series, so Ill be working hard on that.Q: Last but not least, what is the message that you want the readers to take back from reading Bakuman?TO: If you have a dream and work hard for it, I dont think its ever a waste, even if things dont go as well as they do in manga. After Sidoh returned to the Shinigami realm, there was a period over which I struggled over what to do with Mello. remember. No one knows his real name. Demegawa (Hitoshi) (Char.) Tsugumi Ohba was born in the middle of Baby Boomers Generation. I did not put much deep thought into subjects like life and death or justice and evil, he said. You, me, and everyone into manga around 2006 should remember Death Note, the fantastic psychological thriller about a bored teenage genius outwitting the police and a reclusive detective as he reshapes the world one murder at a time. 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